Thank you! (Also, their main genre is apologetics, not discernment.) Hillsong and Steven Furticks Elevation Church are two huge red flags on her itinerary. And besides all these big names, arent just claiming to over see a church, they are writing New York best sellers, etc. God doesnt limit to a select few the number of Christians who are able to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus the way He limited entrance to the Promised Land. #1- Thank you so much for letting me know that link was broken. Well since thats the case, why dont you study and agree with what the Bible says? INTRODUCTION: Having just heard what efforts even St. Paul had to make to run in the Christian race, and how terribly their fathers in the wilderness had failed to meet the requirements of God, they might be inclined to throw up every effort in despair. Fortunately, those arent your only two choices. Our faith is rock solid if we have placed it in Godthe unchanging, perfect, eternal, sovereign One. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. ), but 2 Corinthians 6:14ff and 2 John 9-11, among other passages, are very clear that we are not to partner with those who teach false doctrine, which Catholicism, Word of Faith, and many other churches do. Reblogged this on Eternally Secured and commented: This title is taken directly from the text; verse 37 tells us that the people were astonished beyond measure. If our feelings, opinions, or experiences contradict Gods word, then those feelings, experiences, and opinions are wrong and we need to repent and believe Gods word instead. These are sources Im familiar with and consider doctrinally sound, but if someone digs up an article one of them wrote from ten years ago that says something biblically askew, I obviously do not endorse that.) My bible teaches those roles but thank you. Let us look at it from a mindset point of view. Wow, I found Ms. Shirers book Fervent very helpful and uplifting. Id encourage you not to take my word for it, but to examine the evidence against Scripture (in context, of course) for yourself. 7 Steps to Figuring it Out on Your Own helpful in understanding biblically whether or not someone is a false teacher. I KNOW this original post is over a year old. Jesus had employed many graphic analogies using common things that would be familiar to everyone (https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-parables.html). Mark 7:31-37 There are I didnt know I was reading and studying scripture wrong. How do we respond to those who are new Christians and who still "smell" of their former sinful lives? I hope youll find my response helpful anyway :0). And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. Id be delighted to hear back from you, Elizabeth. In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. I think it should be obvious that a face to face discussion is different from a written one, so theres no need to go into that. They teach a false hope that will eventually let you down and disappoint you. Heres why. No where did she usurp authority etc. "Those from among you will rebuild the ancient ruins; You will raise up the age-old foundations; And you will be called the repairer of the breach, The restorer of the streets in which to dwell. Weve got to act on what the Bible says, not our own opinions. Being a person of great influence and wealth, he had demanded that he be given a place in the group because he wanted to "perform" before Did anything frighten you this morning? The New Testament knows nothing of a Christian whos satisfied just to escape hell. Esther 4:16 fasting. I also have a few tape recording of her Bible Studies that were done either in her Sunday School or her Tuesday Bible Study Meetings where she actually dismisses men from the room when she was at a church in Houston. This is not a new idea. Unfortunately, they depend on LifeWay to deliver sound material. God made you capable and smart enough to read His word in a systematic way, understand it, and grow from it. God has not instructed women to preach to or instruct men. In addition, Beth Moore violates other Scriptures including the ones prohibiting the teaching of false doctrine and yoking ourselves together with those who do. And the Bible says that women are not to preach to or instruct men, or to hold authority over men in the gathered body of Believers, the church. My wife is grateful because of the resources, and because of what she said is best described as like mindedness,(She is sitting beside me by the way!) *It's always a good idea to look back over life and think about the people who have made a difference: People who helped us in a time of need. 1:37-When these believerswho had experienced different things about God became part of my life, my eyes were opened to see God in a brand new way. Ive subscribed to both for several years, so I can tell you thats not the kind of writing they do (though Challies did feature and link to Aimee Byrds review of Fervent in his 12/21/15 A La Carte segment). He was one of the founding fathers of the heretical Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation movement and a mentor to Ken Copeland, whos also a Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation heretic. You could choose to simply pick up your Bible and study it. Tools. #3- There are a couple of links in the additional resources section that deal with Priscillas teaching of contemplative prayer, but I really should have included one in the paragraph itself, so Ive fixed that. Im not sure if youre referring to Beths inclusion of Catholicism, or both Beths and Priscillas joining with people who subscribe to Word of Faith (prosperity gospel) false doctrine. I dont really care about pursuing holiness and growing in Christ. If thats not what youre saying, I apologize for the misunderstanding, but if it is, Im concerned for your eternity. Introduction to Beyond Sunday Series: Well, that is why the rubber band was made, to be stretched. Some would call that circular reasoning. Priscilla has also admitted in her book Discerning the Voice of God, p.39, that she reads herself into Scripture, an unbiblical practice sometimes called narcissistic eisegesis or narcigesis. I really dont want to study scripture with/ from someone who is knowingly sinning by leading His lambs astray. And the only way to do that is to not only study/read the Word of God in its *entirety* but believe and apply it. Deuteronomy 6:4 ESV / 4 helpful votes Not Helpful "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Otherwise, it appears this is a form of gossip. Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-pastored by a woman), Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018, Special Guest Priscilla Shirer (October 11, 2015) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at The Refuge Church (co-pastored by a woman), What Are You Looking At | Priscilla Shirer | Hillsong East Coast (October 4, 2020) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon for Hillsong East Coast, Women Teachers? ROger Oakland of understanding the times and a few good men, are putting together a web site. Was Jesus gossiping in Matthew 16:6, 11,12 when He said, Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees? Im sorry, Im a little unclear. Accused is a very loaded, and in this case, inaccurate term. #1 You have noted that Priscilla preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures but I cant find the link. In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. 1. If you need more examples, simply go to YouTube and type Priscilla Shirer sermon into the search bar. Let's not go beyond what the Lord says through His Word. As for the topic of this post neither of us have heard of her, but thanks for the heads up and good article as always. Or will we apply extra effort and go beyond our duty? But, yes, sometimes I do offer to send someone Im talking to (face to face) links to my articles, other peoples articles, books, sermons, etc., if theyd like to study an issue more. Jesus did that too, so did Samuel, so did Elijah . I know they were long and torturous~ especially since youve obviously answered the same questions over and over to others. Priscilla often uses poor hermeneutics when handling Gods word. It would definitely be interesting to hear his perspective.. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. :0). When a choice you make or an incident happens that will from that moment define some aspect of your life! Olga Souders As I mentioned in my comment, I was here with my wife, completely of my own volition, in no way did Michelle do anything unbiblical. read more, Scripture: As a Christian when we face difficulty God provides the means for us to be encouraged, but we are not just to languish in that resting place. Matthew 28:1-20, Denomination: Neil Richardson has proposed that instead of getting back to the Bible we should go forward with the Bible. I attended a conference with Beth Moore, whom I know you have accused also of teaching and preaching to men, and before she began she said that she was there under the guidance of her pastor and that if men were present, they should understand that her teachings were meant for women. - But such as is common to man; rather, except such as is human; i.e. She is a false teacher, not because I say so, but because when you compare her teachings and behavior to Scripture, you will find them consistently in conflict with Scripture. and Serita Jakes (see below). For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. Do you interpret scripture to mean women should not witness to all people; share the gospel message to all nations not just other women or children? *People who blessed us. (I dont think she was building doctrine in this promotional video, but I could be wrong.). THIS PRACTICE WAS NOT UNCOMMON IN THE EARLY CHURCH. Yes, Im afraid thats exactly whats happening. Today I would like to preach on the thought astonished beyond measure. There CAN be women from different denominations there, what is so wrong with that? Our desire is not only for all to understand His written Word but for all to experience His Power! 52-week preaching calendar to help you plan your sermons, Customizable sermon manuscripts for verse-by-verse preaching, Preach with creativity and impact throughout the year, [NEW YEAR] 4-Week Series to kick off 2023, [PRODUCTIVITY] Fulfill your full potential, [FOUNDATIONS] Getting back to what matters most. In a day and age where any type of hope is needed, especially to the unchurched, I would listen to either Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer any day of the week over the news. Why would the Bible give us both descriptive and prescriptive instruction to warn against false teaching if doing so is a sin (gossip)? God bless you, and keep up the good work sister! Often, when readers express their disagreement, they do so in a very vicious and attacking way, so I really appreciate it when someone politely expresses herself. Introduction She admits it. Our young ministry assistant, a woman, is using Discerning Gods Voice for our womens Bible study. No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. I dont think you read my comment carefully enough. Dear Michelle~ Thank you for taking the time to answer all my questions! Yes, its a big deal and, yes, I will continue to teach and write about it. We do not build doctrine or what we believe about God on peoples subjective experiences. Let me tell you something, if your church recommended War Room, you can almost be certain that its leadership knew next to nothing about Shirer. It does NOT say, and be baptist. In fact, the Bible says the opposite. Furthermore, if this is a disingenuous comment/questions, you are being deceitful and displaying ungodly character and you need to repent. Is she a false teacher? "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Though the consequences of the sin of instructing men may not appear to be severe, it is just as much of a sin as any other sin you can think of: adultery, lying, stealing, drunkenness, and so on. 2. Basic is enough for brand new believers (and again, what Beth and Priscilla teach is not basic, its false doctrine). 18:15-18), although I would add: The minute someone puts something on Youtube, Face Book, Twitter, or any other social media, or public outlet for that matter, your proof text falls flat in on itself, because more than anything this text deals with proper Church discipline. 5. We cannot live without fear. Heres the thing. This article really turned me off on her. I can tell that just from your comment. Bible Study Workbooks Priscilla's studies help believers to know the truths of Scripture intellectually and encourage them to experience these truths practically by the power of the Holy Spirit. Based on Saikowoods earlier post, you are not even familiar with the fact that Dr. Tony Evans is her father. Examples: when we Im not seeing anyone speaking against her except small sources. Romans 8:24 For we How is this different?. Pastors dont read LifeWay studies or pay attention to the false teaching crowd, for the most part. I am asking the following question to understand your doctrinal views. I wish this particular writer would have more clearly defined what he means by silence. If you have Priscillas contact information and can get her to talk to me (Ive attempted to communicate with her several times and have been ignored), I will be delighted to discuss this issue and the entirety of this article with her. Nehemiah 8:10 Verse Concepts Copyright 2003-2023 | Outreach, Inc., All rights reserved. The last verse was a warning; this is an encouragement. Yes, hope is needed, and no youre not going to find it on the news, but youre not going to find true hope in Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer, either, because not only can you not find hope in bad news (like the TV news) but you cant find hope in false news either, and thats what they teach. Are you into apologetics or something? When I participated in Priscillas DVD studyHe Speaks to Meseveral years ago, I found her to be an engaging writer, a witty storyteller, and charismatic speaker. Notice the emphasis around the 1:37 mark on peoples personal experiences (praying for miracles, etc.) Even if shes twisted. ), placing herself into scripture and thereby improperly luring women to God through personal experiences of Jesus instead of purely reading the Word of God. Is there some connection between this article on Priscilla Shirer and Israel that Im missing? But I dont recall her suggesting that Christians meditate or pursue contemplative prayer. Holy cow! I KNOW this is a looooong series of questions about Priscilla Shirer that was stimulated by your post. I have to admit that I do not know the entire Biblical passage on this, but in my mind, if there is a WOMENS Conference, and books written for women, and Bible Studies written for women, all of them are geared to women, they cant really help men being in attendance of their own perogative, but any time I have been to a conference where these women spoke and I looked across an entire arena of seats, very very few of them were occupied by men. Priscilla partners and associates with false teachers such as Joyce Meyer, Christine Caine,Joel and Victoria Osteen, Beth Moore, and T.D. It is teachers like Priscilla who want us to base our beliefs on our feelings and experiences, and that is not biblical. Priscilla Shirer is a wife and mom of three boys hailing from the Dallas area. Astonished Beyond Measure I also dislike how she makes a career of telling women not to have careers. Jonah 2:10. Glad to know i am not the only dude that reads this wonderful sisters blog. As far as Priscilla, I am unsure of this. He wants you to learn good theology and sound doctrine. Hey brother Saiko Woods! 4. Love Your Life 2018 (March 20, 2019) with Victoria Osteen and Terri Savelle Foy, Know Your God | Joyce Meyer and Priscilla Shirer (In this clip, Priscilla also gushes over Henry Blackaby who mishandles Scripture and teaches a form of mysticism. Then you won't arrogantly place one of us in opposition to the other. 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