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Those are the kind of things that would actually have an impact. But something maybe you didn't know, when you look at a hospital bill, it's not just the cost of the supplies. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my god. (END VIDEO CLIP) NISSEN: There was a drug on the market, Avandia. Cost about $1200. Maintaining my pain. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm just going to go ahead and put the last one in. CARNES: Release the breath in a smooth, even stream out. Yvonne Osborn began suffering from severe chest pain at the age of 34. People talk about two-minute doctors. GUPTA: I think the numbers are surprising to a lot of people, even people who work in hospital. "Escape Fire" airs March 10 on CNN. Respiratory shutdown. MARTIN: You used to cut? I'm interested in helping patients. Are you incentivized to do more stents? MARSHALL: You and I both know, it's hard to change the habits of a lifestyle. It has to do with the training of physicians. MARTIN: That's a little -- might be a little bit of a culture shift, too, for the patients. The Dartmouth study showed the patients in places like Miami were receiving more care. It is so addictive. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We'll do it at the front. OK. Bend down. WENDELL POTTER, FORMER HEAD OF COMMUNICATIONS, CIGNA: I don't recall any time telling a lie, but I know that there are many times that I didn't disclose full information, and I was the company's chief spokesman. ORNISH: I thought, most things in biology go both ways, so if bad things make your telomere shorter, maybe good things will make them longer. We are going to take a short break. But this program has just inspired me to press forward. Also, Doctor Reed Tuckson, he is the chief medical officer for the united health group. And, in fact, they were more likely to die. GUPTA: So, tell me how that would work? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: McDonald's put salads on the menu, but turns out the salad is $6, the burger is 99 cents. In Latin, it means, above all, do no harm. So putting more money into innovations and all of these things, yes, they're need in certain instances, especially emergency care, and things like that. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where are you coming from? BROWNLEE: We spend a spectacular amount of money on healthcare. That was the message that, you know, I think was the you got from that documentary. He's, like, clutching his head. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I've been to the emergency department a few times before, and the last time I was having chest pains, not like this. MARTIN: How much were you drinking before? 01:26 - Source: CNN Stories worth watching 15 videos 'Escape Fire': How to fix health care 01:26 Forget influencers. At the same time, the power of these simple low-tech, low- cost interventions is also becoming clearer. So I decided to leave. Insurance companies have always been able to regulate the rates they charge. The army sergeant general directed that we establish the pain management task force to take a look at alternatives to narcotics. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Take them away from him. UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The Safeway supermarket chain looked for a way to rein in spiraling premiums and hit in what seems to be a win-win solution. Escape Fire. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now you pick your spot. Can adding Avandia help you? I took care of them and I was responsible for them and just worrying about if somebody else is going to do for them what they need. You have all these stents, and these stents, once they go in, they never come out and are part of you. Expand the Transcripts and captions section if closed, then select Upload. I would probably leave healthcare before I went back to practicing the way I practiced last year. These for- profit companies by law have to serve shareholders. The answers among us, can we please stop and think and make sense of the situation and get our way out of it? Format: DVD Edition: Widescreen. BROWNLEE: Fee for service rewards physicians for doing more. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right. I mean, look at our results. I think this is important because I think when people watch the film, they are left with the impression that Yvonne finally came to the Cleveland clinic. Also, Nancy Davenport- Ennis, she heads the patient advocate foundation. (END VIDEO CLIP) GUPTA: Dr. Erin Martin, that's a primary care doctor you just saw in the film. We have some challenges with access and affordability. You almost forget that what you're doing is providing healthcare. On my way. And the fire spread around him. There's the cost of covering people who simply don't have insurance or can't pay. I think many of her cardiac catheterizations instead would not have been necessary. She joins us now. YATES: I meditate, and it has opened up a whole new world for me. OSBORNE: I have lost -- since last year I've lost 21 pounds. Official Trailer Watch the full 1.5 hour version on Netflix or YouTube ($3.99). And healthcare doesn't need to be immune to that. Literally, 30 patients an hour. Good. And it's just the last thing that you're really concerned about. A heart cath, get another stent. You are going to hear from many different voices with varying opinions and backgrounds tonight. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Without the financial incentives, there's no way I could have gotten to the point that I am now, at saving literally thousands of dollars over the past few years by being healthier. Sometimes they are related to lifestyle habits. I mean, to talk about how we shift toward -- away from disease intervention toward disease prevention and health promotion, I mean, that -- that requires a massive rethinking about medicine and healthcare at all levels of society. GRUBER: Well, Sanjay, I think If you look at the affordable care act in the hole, it will. If I burn the fuel around me, then when the fire comes and it takes me, I'm safe. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I do it again on Friday. I don't want to go down the same path. Until my doctor said to me, I don't know what else to do for you. THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. You know, they'll actually fix it. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, yes. Again, you were part of the documentary. But, you know, we have the means to decrease disease. That may strike people as very high. JONAS: There's very large randomized trials done at multiple centers that have demonstrated that acupuncture works, so we put together a study to see if we can actually insert this simple acupuncture technique during the aerovacs of wounded soldiers into Walter Reed and other medical centers in the United States. He overdosed. It's an expensive world to live in in terms of getting your voice heard in D.C., but that's the whole function of advocacy. He told Dean, how long is the program? ERIC WARD, SAFEWAY EMPLOYEE: At my heaviest, I was over 200 pounds. So now, "ESCAPE FIRE: THE FIGHT TO RESCUE AMERICAN HEALTHCARE." They had to live with some of the new consumer protections in the bill that does make it illegal for companies to just cancel someone's policy because of a preexisting condition. GUPTA: Doctor Rice, What do you think about that. GUPTA: You know, one can't help but walk away from the documentary, Doctor , frankly, they are scared of stents. The costs are going through the roof and the ability to help these service members and their families recover and repair and come back to a functional life is getting less and less. Most diseases don't happen overnight. Is that how you get paid? DR. SANJAY GUPTA, HOST: Good evening. But one evening, I sat straight up in bed with the worst chest pain. And that's because our system reimburses people for doing tasks and doing procedures, not for necessarily making people healthier. What we do with waste in healthcare. I lost him. That's the only reason we're making the change. SHANNON BROWNLEE, MEDICAL JOURNALIST: We're in the grip of a very big industry, and it doesn't want to stop making money. Ten allotted. The US healthcare system has to be overhauled to put the patient's needs above the doctors and the insurers. Sometimes we're talking about them on a daily basis. NISSEN: There's litigation involved and the company set aside $6 million to settle lawsuits. A secret tape recorded aboard the doomed space shuttle Challenger captured the final panic-stricken moments of the crew. ORNISH: The program increased the telomere length. If you have cholesterol under control, a discount. BROWNLEE: The vast majority of doctors in this country are paid by a fee-for-service system. It doesn't reward them for keeping their patients healthy. Underrewarded primary care. Am I going to be paying more? The answers among us, and only by accepting the fact that the American healthcare system is badly broken and the status quo isn't working, is bankrupting our nation, will we be able to seek out the escape fires, the potential solutions, and create a sustainable and patient centered system for the future. I can act more as a guide for patients, taking the time to educate them and having them understand that there are choices that they have the power to make for themselves. It goes back to Teddy Roosevelt. You're your options might be, if there is a doctor surgeon on hometown. We've set up a system that often pushes physicians and hospitals in the entire health care system into doing more. DR. LESLIE CHO, CARDIOLOGIST, CLEVELAND CLINIC: How are you? How long were you there? We want more procedures. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm going to leave these in for about five, seven minutes. . Six years ago before I became CEO, I stopped to think, I've never looked after a healthy person and maybe it would be easier to take care of people and keep them from getting sick before they actually did get sick. DR. STEVEN NISSEN, CHAIRMAN, CARDIOVASCULAR MEDICINE, CLEVELAND CLINIC: Physicians are well intentioned. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know, I'm only 34 years old. MARSHALL: Me, personally, I'm on a salary. DAN BULLIS, WALTER REED ARMY MEDICAL CENTER, DEPLOYMENT HEALTH CENTER: Post-traumatic stress disorder, PTSD, is an individual's reaction to the exposure and experiences of war. Healthcare reform was a good place to start, but it will do little to address the root problems. Next, click the three-dot menu icon underneath the title of the video. If it happened to me, it happens to a whole lot more people that are almost invisible to the system. (CROSSTALK) KASCH: That's why he's a little high right now. We have made all of this unhealthy food the cheapest and most available food. ROBERTSON: Right. Did you have a good day today? There is no doubt, they always have. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. If somebody has an infection, we give anti-infectious agents. Joining me to talk more about this is doctor Steven Nissen, he is the man in the documentary, the chairman of cardiology at the Cleveland clinic. Not very much, but a little. Published: Santa Monica, Calif. : Lionsgate, [2013]. And maybe it would be easier to take care of people and keep them from getting sick before they actually did get sick. They said, absolutely, it's been demonstrated that acupuncture is safe and effective, especially with post-operative and injury pain. They can pretty much get away with increasing the rates as much as they want to. BERWICK: It's really easy to find articles or speeches 30 years ago in which leaders were calling for change, unsustainable costs, problems and outcomes in quality. So in 1994, I started a fellowship for people who had completed medical school to retrain physicians. I was on Trizadon. OSBORN: I've started doing research about where in the United States do I have to go to get the best heart care. I never had a personal doctor, family doctor, nothing, all my life. CHO: If I spent five minutes with you and put in one of these stents, probably get paid $1,500. Because what we think is best for us often isn't. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can't tell you how shocked we were when we saw her the first time because here was a young woman whose diabetes was not well controlled, her cholesterol was never well controlled and her high blood pressure was never well controlled. Suture, one that's used in every operating room in the world. NIEMTZOW: Normally you would? She's still taking her Lexapro, but it's obviously not doing the job. If we get Medicare to cover it, then everyone else will cover it and if everyone covers it then it becomes a standard of care. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'd be chomping narcotics. I'm going to the emergency department. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When do we want it? I want to show you how it works. We do nothing about supporting the good, that the body can and wants to be healthy. ROSS: Do you have any eating habits -- UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I eat the regular food and stuff. This place actually gave me the tools to put in my tool bag so I can go back and still continue my process of healing, recovery. It just wants you to keep coming back for your care of your chronic disease. more . Aladdin (1992)/Transcript. No soldier should have to go through this. It was a passion for healing. That's good. Driven by these perverse economic incentives, we are doing a lot of procedures to people that they don't need. There's the bright blue slush. But when you're doing something that has never been done before, it's not universally accepted, to say the least. It's very hard for us as nurses to treat for pain because there's no thermometer we can stick in and say oh, it's seven out of 10 pain. DR. DON BERWICK, HEAD OF MEDICARE/MEDICAID, 2010-2011: It's scary how fast obesity is spreading in our country. If insurance companies don't deliver value, they won't be in business very long. We say they don't prevent heart attacks, they don't lengthen life. And you're here today with chest pain. People go in and out of health plans. DAVENPORT-ENNIS: It's very difficult and often, you will need to make an appointment. ROBERT YATES, INFANTRY, U.S. ARMY: Been shot. I do it in my clinic all the time. We need a whole new kind of medicine. I'll be -- and what came to be known as an escape fire. NISSEN: Yes. Why do we care about covering the uninsured? If we just change reimbursement, it's a game changer, we change medical practice and we change medical education. I was on anti-depressants. Do you understand? WEIL: In the 1950s, Americans took pharmaceutical medication at about 10 percent of the rate that they do now. Log in to your account. We're part of the community. (CROSSTALK) (COMMERCIAL BREAK) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Overmedicating is a huge problem in society and the military is no exception. It includes the mandate, the requirement that we all have to buy their coverage. that is going to raise cause. It doesn't reward them for doing a better job. They didn't want to have a new competitor. To get the best results, use these formatting tips: To force the start of a new caption . It's getting rid of the bad thing. (MUSIC & CREDITS) GUPTA: We can't leave the conversation right there. I was head of corporate communications, which means I was the top public relations officer for the company. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Loratab, Naproxen. It was like something that I could never have imagined I'd ever see in this country. Her cholesterol was never well controlled, and her high blood pressure was never well controlled. It was with a huge amount of skepticism and resistance. When you're in the inner circle of the health insurance company, what's most important is meeting Wall Street's expectations. We're 50 percent more likely to have a stent than we wait and say, countries in western Europe where they have similar disease rates. I can't tell you how shocked we were when we saw her the first time, because here was a young woman whose diabetes was not well controlled. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A day, for 25 years. More tests, more drugs, more time in the hospital, more invasive operations than patients in other parts of the country. NISSEN: Because of the money that's involved, getting people to do the right thing for the American people has become extremely difficult. DR. ROBY COSGROVE, CEO, CLEVELAND CLINIC: I've never looked after a healthy person. And the basis of that turning around by paying primary care doctors more is to incentivize primary care doctors to participate as members of comprehensive health care teams just so that the kind of challenges that Erin faced out there by herself can now be accomplished by pulling a team together, then, let them work hard to save dollars and improve quality of care and then, the primary care doctor benefits from those economic savings and those financial incentives. An estimated 600,000 stent procedures are performed every year in the United States. Escape fire: the fight to rescue American healthcare (DVD) Contributors: Heineman, Matthew, director, Froemke, Susan, director, Berwick, Donald M. 1946- commentator. BERWICK: The healthcare system isn't affordable anymore. What is really striking is how little they have written the last few years. 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